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Winter Weather Claims a Victim as Town Boat Sinks

No environmental impact to Brown's River, say town officials.

A 24-foot Islip Town boat succumbed to the winter weather this past weekend due to a combination of frozen scupper valves, rain and icy weather that led to its eventual sinking in a berth in the Brown's River canal, according to town officials. The boat had been in use last Friday for bubble line work along the town dock pilings. It was retrieved Monday and is now being repaired. Town officials say there was no issue with gas or oil release into the waterway.


Hiram Walkers December 16, 2013 at 07:28 PM
The Town has plenty of money to buy a new boat. The town needs to get out of the docks and marina business. They have no idea what they are doing.
Jim Keeley December 16, 2013 at 09:17 PM
isn't that the truth it took them 5 hours to raise the boat with 5 people five trucks all running and pumps that didn't work what an embarrassment watched it all morning
Tim December 16, 2013 at 09:21 PM
What is a "scudder" valve? Is the town launching Russian missiles from their boats?
Patrick December 17, 2013 at 07:25 AM
Paid for by Mr. And Mrs. John Q. Taxpayer.
Ed Horcrantz December 17, 2013 at 07:37 AM
Someone should be fired. The dock department is a joke. They are inept. Whoever is in charge should be fired.
Tim December 17, 2013 at 09:26 AM
It seems to me like you guys need to calm down just a bit, you're reacting like the Lusitania just went down in the river. This looks like a 30 year old boat, that I assume they keep in the water year round. Sometimes things go awry when you have inclement weather, such as the SCUPPERS freezing shut. This is not a newsworthy story...... Now, if they did in fact have a boat equipped to fire Scuds this story would be much more exciting.
Ed Horcrantz December 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM
Tim. The Town of Islip has park security guards patrolling around in brand new police interceptors. They are going to be ticketing all the people who are parked on the streets between 3am and 6am. I hope you have a big driveway. Instead of protecting town property, they would rather be ticketing residents. How they missed the boat taking on water is beyond me. The park security guards need to get out of their warm cars and see what's going on. The cars should be equipped with GPS so the head security guard should see when his guard was last at this marina. That is how they would do it in private business. Then they should bring whoever was supposed to be checking the park/ marina into a hearing to see why he missed a sinking boat.
Tim December 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Ed, You are mistaken. The town has a handful of Park Rangers, which I believe are Peace Officers, not security guards. They don't have Marina Guards off-season. I dock my boat on the river and I don't believe they had Marina Guards during the season this year because of budget cuts. I once launched a boat where the seals at the lower unit had dried out and it took ok two feet of water in less than an hour. If they have 10-15 Rangers how many can be on duty at one time, 5-10 at most? They have a large area to cover and that boat could have swamped out in a matter of hours. Having a hearing would be a waste of time and money, this isn't some big conspiracy. Stuff happens.
Ed Horcrantz December 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Park Rangers ( security guard who want to be cops)are supposed to patrol these parks on a regular daily basis. This boat took several days to sink. I have sat in my car at Browns River east and have watched this wannabe cops drive by while texting. Let them do their jobs and stop defending them.
Tim December 17, 2013 at 01:13 PM
Eddie, I have do not particularly have any love lost for the Park Rangers, but I also have no sympathy for those that turn to Internet to complain about everything and anything that happens in the area. If you were aware of the boat submerging for "several days" and did nothing to notify the Town, we should bring you into the same hearing with the deviant Park Ranger for not upholding your civic responsibility.
Ed Horcrantz December 17, 2013 at 01:55 PM
Tim...re read my post. Where does it say I watched the boat sink? I simply said that I have watched park rangers not doing their jobs.
Tim December 17, 2013 at 02:50 PM
So how do you know how long it took to sink?
Capt. Jerry Collins December 17, 2013 at 03:55 PM
I find it hard to believe that there was no fuel or oil spill. Did the DEC respond? That's what should be important part of this story.
Judy Mottl (Editor) December 17, 2013 at 04:19 PM
Hi Capt. Jerry. The town official stated that the gas and oil levels when the boat was pulled out were just about the same they were recorded as of Friday, the last use of the boat.
Capt. Jerry Collins December 17, 2013 at 04:40 PM
Well Judy "The town official stated that the gas and oil levels when the boat was pulled out were just about the same they were recorded as of Friday" What does "just about the same" mean. Was the Coast Guard and DEC notified of a possible fuel spill in the river, or did the town officials fail to make the proper notifications. Maybe that's the important question here. If it was a private boat you can be sure the notifications would have been made.
Capt. Jerry Collins December 17, 2013 at 04:49 PM
Take a look at the pictures posted. There is a visible fuel spill in the picture taken of the vessel's port (left) side.
Ed Horcrantz December 17, 2013 at 04:49 PM
Tim..... You must be the union rep or the defense attorney for the inept town employees that allowed this boat to sink. Your bit doing a good job. The guard or peace officer ranger is responsible for protecting public property. What I am suggesting is that they do their jobs. Perhaps they may have noticed a bit taking on water. Maybe the bilge batteries were dead. Maybe the lines were tied too tight. A number of things could have happened. My boat was in the water for Sandy and was fine. It was tied correctly and we kept an eye on the boat. Those that don't know how to prevent what happened to the town boat should not be working with boats. Remember that it's owned by the taxpayers....... Me and maybe you if your a resident of Islip who pays taxes. That engine needs a lot of expensive work now. So does all the electric etc. I stick by my original statement that someone should be held accountable. But of course, you'll disagree.
Tim December 17, 2013 at 05:11 PM
Ed, I am not an attorney and I have no affiliation with any union or the Park Rangers. I simply believe in being informed before reacting. As you have admitted there are numerous possible causes to this situation, and you do not know how long the boat took to sink, so how are you so sure that it was caused by anyone's negligence? As I said early I don't really have an opinion of the Park Rangers one way or another, but it is disconcerting that uninformed people are so quick to gripe and post nothing but negativity in forums such as this. Life is too short to be so miserable all the time.
Judy Hogan Mottl December 17, 2013 at 05:21 PM
Hi Capt. Jerry. I'll check again with the town and find out about the DEC and if they were called.
crookhaven December 18, 2013 at 04:03 AM
commissioner john carney told me personally that the bay constables do nothing all day but float on their boats. perhaps, shaky carney is trying to put a stop to that! shake shake shake!
Hiram Walkers December 18, 2013 at 09:41 AM
Didn't the Town of Islip lay off all marina guards and harbor patrol last year? I heard that Carney let them all go and bought new cars for himself and his deputies.
crookhaven December 18, 2013 at 07:29 PM
he hired them back this past summer but then made fun of them during my interview with them. he also trashed the town attorney and starting talking about the mishandled case against the perp that threatened town hall. the guy really has no common sense and no filter. a big headed dope.
crookhaven December 18, 2013 at 07:32 PM
carney also says the security guards were useless, so they may not make it back. his commander of public safety, craig cain, told me that carney snaps when his employees call him by his first name.. johnny john john!!
crookhaven December 18, 2013 at 07:44 PM
carney!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ0Iss3GCrI

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